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FearAD
08-21-2008, 01:08 PM
John McCain and his wife Cindy own 7 houses

http://news.yahoo.com/s/politico/20080821/pl_politico/12685

7 houses.

7 houses.

Obama is elitist because he eats arugala?

No wonder he doesn't care how much tire pressure he has.

What does he have in common with the average West Virginian that loves him so much?

7 houses.

SmthBluCitrus
08-21-2008, 01:09 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpmFd25tRqo&eurl=http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php

blenderboy5
08-21-2008, 01:28 PM
Wow. I guess that Obama ad was an example of a positive ad helping to take us in a new direction with change?

Please. Obama has said plenty of elitist things. He's a liberal and a politician so it's bound to happen. But things like arugala and seven houses don't really matter. The connotation is "he has seven houses how can he understand the plight of the poor?" I get it. But few politicians, Republican or Democrat, understand what it's like to be poor and live paycheck to paycheck. Those who pretend to end up taking 50,000 to give a speech on poverty while knocking up ugly whores.

SmthBluCitrus
08-21-2008, 01:31 PM
Eh, I suppose I see it more as McCain is no more "in touch" with the regular everyday working class people than Obama is. If we're going to start throwing around labels than it isn't as though Obama has the market cornered on the "elitist" front.

McCain is right there with him; and he might even be leading the pack, so-to-speak. He's certainly been in this class a lot longer than Obama has. But, that's another thing unto itself.

dbroncos78087
08-21-2008, 01:32 PM
Wow. I guess that Obama ad was an example of a positive ad helping to take us in a new direction with change?

Please. Obama has said plenty of elitist things. He's a liberal and a politician so it's bound to happen. But things like arugala and seven houses don't really matter. The connotation is "he has seven houses how can he understand the plight of the poor?" I get it. But few politicians, Republican or Democrat, understand what it's like to be poor and live paycheck to paycheck. Those who pretend to end up taking 50,000 to give a speech on poverty while knocking up ugly whores.

I agree with you that it is pretty hypocritical for either one of the candidates to call out the other candidate for not knowing the plight of the poor.

b1e9a8r5s
08-21-2008, 06:27 PM
Shall we talk about Obama's one house or how he managed to get it? Cough (Rezko, convicted felon) Cough.

Raidaz4Life
08-21-2008, 06:35 PM
I could care less about either candidates personal wealth... wasn't one of the faces of the Democratic party JFK?

Tragic Johnson
08-21-2008, 07:00 PM
McCain can't remember how many houses he owns and Obama can't remember how many states there are in the United States (of which he wants to be President):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

What's the point? :shrug:

DenButsu
08-21-2008, 11:02 PM
McCain can't remember how many houses he owns and Obama can't remember how many states there are in the United States (of which he wants to be President):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrsBKGpwi58

What's the point? :shrug:

Fail.

That was an obvious misspeak where he meant to say 47. You don't even buy that one yourself, do you? do you honestly think Obama doesn't know how many damn states there are? Please... :eyebrow:

Tragic Johnson
08-21-2008, 11:42 PM
Fail.

That was an obvious misspeak where he meant to say 47. You don't even buy that one yourself, do you? do you honestly think Obama doesn't know how many damn states there are? Please... :eyebrow:

You are absolutely right, but when have Liberals been forgiving of someone who misspeaks? :rolleyes:

b1e9a8r5s
08-22-2008, 01:24 AM
Technically, Cindy owns all the homes (they file separate taxes). Wasn't it Obama who said we should keep the wives out of it?

DenButsu
08-22-2008, 01:32 AM
You are absolutely right, but when have Liberals been forgiving of someone who misspeaks? :rolleyes:

There's a difference between misspeaking and genuinely being unable to communicate clearly and/or really understand what it is that you yourself are trying to say. Something like "misunderestimate" is different from something like "57". It's the use of a word which doesn't exist in the English language, which betrays either a learning disability (which, if he had one and fessed up to it, I would absolutely forgive him for) or a poor command of his native language (which is a fairly disturbing and disappointing flaw for the most powerful man in the world to have).


Technically, Cindy owns all the homes (they file separate taxes). Wasn't it Obama who said we should keep the wives out of it?

:laugh2: Nice try. But come on. He's flying around in her private jet, he's reaping all the benefits of her wealth and her connections. Pointing out ownership and questioning patriotism are two radically different things, even if you do buy the "they aren't his, they're his wife's" argument. But I doubt that most Americans who own one or zero homes ain't buying it.

blenderboy5
08-22-2008, 01:34 AM
Technically, Cindy owns all the homes (they file separate taxes). Wasn't it Obama who said we should keep the wives out of it?

That was when Michelle was praising partial birth abortion and making disputed comments about her husband's candidacy and love of America.

DenButsu
08-22-2008, 02:19 AM
That was when Michelle was praising partial birth abortion and making disputed comments about her husband's candidacy and love of America.

Um, again nice try, but the fact of the matter is that while there has been an orchestrated attempt by the right to smear Michelle Obama's name (by extension and repetition of those talking points, you are a participant in that, I might add), the left has really not ventured anywhere near similarly trashing Cindy McCain's name. The sad thing is (and this is where I do think race comes into play, at least for some individuals) that people generally seem to be open minded about the smears on Michelle.

I can only imagine the outcry of false indignation by the right, by Fox, and by the mainstream media if anyone were to dare to question Cindy McCain's good name. She's... golden, untouchable.

Tragic Johnson
08-22-2008, 02:55 AM
There's a difference between misspeaking and genuinely being unable to communicate clearly and/or really understand what it is that you yourself are trying to say. Something like "misunderestimate" is different from something like "57". It's the use of a word which doesn't exist in the English language, which betrays either a learning disability (which, if he had one and fessed up to it, I would absolutely forgive him for) or a poor command of his native language (which is a fairly disturbing and disappointing flaw for the most powerful man in the world to have).

Nice spin. However, any 6 year old could tell you there are 50 states. The crowd laughed when he said it and he didn't even noticed it! And yes, Bush is a horrible public speaker, but if Obama wins, I'll bet you there will be more of this to come. Without a teleprompter, the guy becomes Porky Pig all of a sudden.

DenButsu
08-22-2008, 04:07 AM
Nice spin.

Did I miss something, or were you not very recently getting on another poster's case for always coming back with that?

Is there an echo in this forum?



Okay, man, you win. Obama really believes there are 57 states.

That's why he graduated Magna cum Laude (that's the top 1% in case you're counting) from Harvard Law School.

McCain also graduated in a particular 1% of his class at the Naval Academy. But it wasn't the top 1%... hmmm... which 1% was it...? :rolleyes:

QuietWyatt
08-22-2008, 01:28 PM
McCain has quite a few McMansions, coming from a guy who says Obama's an elitist. :rolleyes:

nascar10294
08-22-2008, 03:03 PM
Why do people care? It isn't like he inherrited all these houses from relitives. Him and Cindy were able to earn them from working hard. Also, one of the houses McCain has is used by his siclky aunt. Also, why would is this a big deal when Obama probably couldn't name the amount of step brothers he has. Also, he wanted to buy a manchon, but didn't have enough money so he barrowed from someone who is in jail now.

But really, is this how shallow our election has gotten?

PHX-SOXFAN
08-22-2008, 03:45 PM
Why do people care? It isn't like he inherrited all these houses from relitives. Him and Cindy were able to earn them from working hard. Also, one of the houses McCain has is used by his siclky aunt. Also, why would is this a big deal when Obama probably couldn't name the amount of step brothers he has. Also, he wanted to buy a manchon, but didn't have enough money so he barrowed from someone who is in jail now.

But really, is this how shallow our election has gotten?

are you serious?:confused::speechless: where did Cindy get her money from again? in what industry did she work? Oh wait, she inherited it! So technically, they did inherit pretty much everything they have. she's rich from inheritance and has only worked in philanthropic roles because she has never had to earn a living. Do some research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley_McCain

I can't believe you actually think they worked for everything they have when in fact Cindy has never really worked a day in her life.:confused: McCain married a hot rich chick, case closed. They didn't work hard, or have great ideas or investments, she just has a good maiden name.

Obama didn't "barrow" from someone in jail, check the story again and come back when your talking point is straightened out. I'll respond to it when you can at least repeat it as cleanly as Hannity delivers it.:o

blenderboy5
08-22-2008, 03:45 PM
I think people care because, as I already stated, how could someone with 7 houses understand the plight of someone struggling to pay for one house while facing foreclosure? Of course, the only people who can truly understand what it's like to face foreclosure are the unfortunate people/stupid and/or gullible borrowers facing foreclosure.

PHX-SOXFAN
08-22-2008, 03:46 PM
I think people care because, as I already stated, how could someone with 7 houses understand the plight of someone struggling to pay for one house while facing foreclosure? Of course, the only people who can truly understand what it's like to face foreclosure are the unfortunate people/stupid and/or gullible borrowers facing foreclosure.

those aren't the only people. there are also investors, and those making a tough financial decision for their future based on the depreciating values.

gcoll
08-23-2008, 05:14 AM
Obama is elitist because he eats arugala?

No. Obama is an elitist because he feels as if it is his duty to lecture people about how to live their lives.

Something about a millionaire telling me to forsake a job in the corporate world, in order to help the community....reeks of elitism.

When a rich guy stands on a stage, and grandstands about the rich not doing their fair share......something is messed up.


About this story. I don't really give a ****. Newsflash, Mccain is rich. He's a politician. Usually those people are rich.

DenButsu
08-23-2008, 02:02 PM
Something about a millionaire telling me to forsake a job in the corporate world, in order to help the community....reeks of elitism.

When Obama wasn't rich, when he was fresh out of Harvard Law, that's exactly what he did. He could have taken a Wall Street job easily. Instead he took a job organizing voter registration that payed for **** in terms of what typical Harvard Law grads make. So if he asks anybody to do something similar, he's not asking them to do something he himself hasn't done already. If you want to call that "elitist", fine. But you're wrong.

Lady's Man
08-23-2008, 03:03 PM
When Obama wasn't rich, when he was fresh out of Harvard Law, that's exactly what he did. He could have taken a Wall Street job easily. Instead he took a job organizing voter registration that payed for **** in terms of what typical Harvard Law grads make. So if he asks anybody to do something similar, he's not asking them to do something he himself hasn't done already. If you want to call that "elitist", fine. But you're wrong.

so your saying he never had a real job? Then why should we listen to him when it comes to the economy when all the man has done is receive money from the government all of his life.... oh and 5 million dollars from his book

blenderboy5
08-23-2008, 03:14 PM
are you serious?:confused::speechless: where did Cindy get her money from again? in what industry did she work? Oh wait, she inherited it! So technically, they did inherit pretty much everything they have. she's rich from inheritance and has only worked in philanthropic roles because she has never had to earn a living. Do some research:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cindy_Hensley_McCain

I can't believe you actually think they worked for everything they have when in fact Cindy has never really worked a day in her life.:confused: McCain married a hot rich chick, case closed. They didn't work hard, or have great ideas or investments, she just has a good maiden name.

Obama didn't "barrow" from someone in jail, check the story again and come back when your talking point is straightened out. I'll respond to it when you can at least repeat it as cleanly as Hannity delivers it.:o

Based on that rant, I hope you didn't support Kerry. Because he married an ugly foreign ***** who married a guy who inherited a lot of money but was unfortunate enough to die in a plane crash.

Tragic Johnson
08-23-2008, 05:30 PM
Did I miss something, or were you not very recently getting on another poster's case for always coming back with that?

Is there an echo in this forum?


There's a difference between saying:

"Nice spin, here's why..."

and saying (post after post after post...):

"You are just regurgitating someone else's spin. I have proven you wrong. I am great"

And I'm not the only one who feels that way about that poster. So no, there's not an echo in this forum.

gcoll
08-23-2008, 06:43 PM
When Obama wasn't rich, when he was fresh out of Harvard Law, that's exactly what he did. He could have taken a Wall Street job easily. Instead he took a job organizing voter registration that payed for **** in terms of what typical Harvard Law grads make. So if he asks anybody to do something similar, he's not asking them to do something he himself hasn't done already. If you want to call that "elitist", fine. But you're wrong.

Yes. I'm calling that elitist, because he (as a politician) has no right to tell anyone how to live their lives. It's none of his business. When you feel it is your duty to lecture people about how to live.....I am gonna call that certainly snobbish. Elitist may be the wrong word, but my point is still the same.

And I don't care what he did fresh out of law school.....he and his wife have money. They've had high paying jobs in the corporate world.

Also. Not everyone has the safety net of being a Harvard Law graduate. That's a safety net. You can take a job for less money and still know that if you ran into tough times, you had a Harvard education, and could get a high paying job if need be.



And I'm not the only one who feels that way about that poster. So no, there's not an echo in this forum.
Yeah. Claiming that Sean Hannity or Rush has said something, really does nothing to falsify the claim.

Speaking of talk radio though, I was listening to the Randi Rhodes show yesterday....and she claimed that Mccain was never tortured. Went on quite a long rant about it. Found that kind of funny with all the complaining about the conservative talk radio hosts...

blenderboy5
08-23-2008, 06:59 PM
Oddly enough liberal talk radio never caught on with the american people. Can't imagine why (though I have a feeling it has to do with competition or something...)

DenButsu
08-24-2008, 12:54 AM
Yes. I'm calling that elitist, because he (as a politician) has no right to tell anyone how to live their lives. It's none of his business. When you feel it is your duty to lecture people about how to live.....I am gonna call that certainly snobbish. Elitist may be the wrong word, but my point is still the same.

And I don't care what he did fresh out of law school.....he and his wife have money. They've had high paying jobs in the corporate world.

Also. Not everyone has the safety net of being a Harvard Law graduate. That's a safety net. You can take a job for less money and still know that if you ran into tough times, you had a Harvard education, and could get a high paying job if need be.



Yeah. Claiming that Sean Hannity or Rush has said something, really does nothing to falsify the claim.

Speaking of talk radio though, I was listening to the Randi Rhodes show yesterday....and she claimed that Mccain was never tortured. Went on quite a long rant about it. Found that kind of funny with all the complaining about the conservative talk radio hosts...

It should also be pointed out that there is a difference between "telling" and "asking". You don't seem to have figured that one out yet. :rolleyes:

Aside from that, you seem to be ignoring the fact that when he has said things that you're referring to - the tire gauge comment, for example - it often has been in direct response to someone asking him, "What can I do to help?"

Some people actually want to make a personal contribution, you see, and not just consume, consume, consume.

gcoll
08-24-2008, 08:22 AM
It should also be pointed out that there is a difference between "telling" and "asking". You don't seem to have figured that one out yet
Noted.

it often has been in direct response to someone asking him, "What can I do to help?"
Yeah. I didn't know that was the original context of the tire gauge thing.

Some people actually want to make a personal contribution, you see, and not just consume, consume, consume.
This is untrue.

People want the peace of mind to THINK that they are contributing somehow, but they don't actually want to stop consuming. They want the consumption without the guilt. So they slap a "save the whales" bumper sticker on their car and go about their merry way.

And the best thing you can do as a politician is to capitalize on that laziness, by picking a target. In the case of the democrats it's usually the rich, who are screwing people over. In the case of the republicans, it's the government itself, and the inefficient bureaucracy and welfare systems it creates, that are screwing people over.

Look at the "oil crisis". Demand rises in China, prices go up. And everyone blames the speculators. People who had no idea what a speculator was 2 months ago, will now say with confidence "The speculators are screwing everyone over....gotta crack down on them"

Also. I dislike the notion that working for the corporate world, is an entirely selfish thing. Or that working for the state, is a selfless thing to do. Neither is true.

And hell. Say what you want about the corporate world, but at least they can provide a service. At least they can punish laziness, and inefficiency. Not something the government can do all that well.

ari1013
08-24-2008, 09:15 AM
Why do people care? It isn't like he inherrited all these houses from relitives. Him and Cindy were able to earn them from working hard. Also, one of the houses McCain has is used by his siclky aunt. Also, why would is this a big deal when Obama probably couldn't name the amount of step brothers he has. Also, he wanted to buy a manchon, but didn't have enough money so he barrowed from someone who is in jail now.

But really, is this how shallow our election has gotten?
Just too easy. Cindy McCain inherited her fortune from her father. John McCain married her and thus also somewhat inherited the fortune.

DenButsu
08-25-2008, 08:51 AM
Q: Why couldn't McCain remember how many houses he owns?

A: Because he was a POW (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-vqnkatmS9g&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/).

ari1013
08-25-2008, 12:41 PM
Q: Why couldn't McCain remember how many houses he owns?

A: Because he was a POW (http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=-vqnkatmS9g&eurl=http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/).
Hey it's worked since 1982, why change the game now?

rhino17
08-25-2008, 04:32 PM
Also. I dislike the notion that working for the corporate world, is an entirely selfish thing. Or that working for the state, is a selfless thing to do. Neither is true.

And hell. Say what you want about the corporate world, but at least they can provide a service. At least they can punish laziness, and inefficiency. Not something the government can do all that well.
I totally agree, fantastic point

Doc Fluty
08-25-2008, 04:53 PM
well it has come out that he has 4 homes and 3 investment homes...

mccain lives in a frikin condo in Arizona most of the time..

people act like hes surfing on a beach in hawaii months out of the year...

what millionaire dont you know that has a least 2 homes???

im so glad this came up now R can bring up how rezko like this add...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjC2AlWy6CI

YankeeFan28
08-25-2008, 04:55 PM
Isn't McCain's wife loaded? Who cares how many houses he has?

JHG722
08-25-2008, 05:40 PM
Based on that rant, I hope you didn't support Kerry. Because he married an ugly foreign ***** who married a guy who inherited a lot of money but was unfortunate enough to die in a plane crash.

...Which was two minutes from my house :/

JHG722
08-25-2008, 05:42 PM
what millionaire dont you know that has a least 2 homes???

Me. :shrug: