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moonman
07-22-2008, 04:48 PM
As the American People turn their backs on the Republican Party generally and conservatism specifically it appears we are also closing our wallets. The vaunted direct mail campaigns of Richard Vaguerie (sp?) and others go unopened and unanswered today.

Obama out raised McCain by more than 1.5 to 1 in June. The Democratic Senate Committee outraised its Republican counterpart by more than 2 to 1 and in the House, seemingly unpopular according to polls cited by conservatives, Democrats have beat the Republicans by more than a 6 to 1 margin.

And some wonder why I'm calling for a Democratic landslide in November. Some numbers just don't lie.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/money-woes-continue-for-congressional-republicans-2008-07-21.html

Raider_Vet
07-22-2008, 04:57 PM
LOL, who wants to invest in a losing prospect?

ari1013
07-22-2008, 06:41 PM
As the American People turn their backs on the Republican Party generally and conservatism specifically it appears we are also closing our wallets. The vaunted direct mail campaigns of Richard Vaguerie (sp?) and others go unopened and unanswered today.

Obama out raised McCain by more than 1.5 to 1 in June. The Democratic Senate Committee outraised its Republican counterpart by more than 2 to 1 and in the House, seemingly unpopular according to polls cited by conservatives, Democrats have beat the Republicans by more than a 6 to 1 margin.

And some wonder why I'm calling for a Democratic landslide in November. Some numbers just don't lie.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/money-woes-continue-for-congressional-republicans-2008-07-21.html
Well to be fair, Obama had a $25 million day on June 30 -- the day he decided to spend 100% of his time fundraising. If not for that day, he and McCain would be even in the cash department.

blenderboy5
07-23-2008, 12:01 AM
Also to be fair, McCain's not making as much not because Jesus is his opponent, but because conservatives don't want to give money to a liberal.

gcoll
07-23-2008, 02:27 AM
As the American People turn their backs on the Republican Party generally and conservatism specifically

The American people have not turned their back on conservatism.

People don't have to run from being called conservative. Whereas liberals seem to be trying to re-brand themselves as "progressives".

blenderboy5
07-23-2008, 09:11 AM
Yeah that's the thing. Despite the woes of the Republican party, they haven't ruined the word conservative. Maybe when you associate yourself with defending partial birth abortion, terrorists at gitmo, and Howard Dean, it's harder for people to identify themselves as being in your camp. So you change the name to something else. You're not liberal, but progressive. You're not for crushing a child born up until the navel and crushing its skull, but for womens rights. Etc

Raidaz4Life
07-23-2008, 11:50 AM
Also to be fair, McCain's not making as much not because Jesus is his opponent, but because conservatives don't want to give money to a liberal.

Thats the point I was going to make. This has nothing to do with conservatism dying out. It is just a result of Conservatives not trusting a man with their money that does not represent their ideological beliefs

PHX-SOXFAN
07-23-2008, 12:45 PM
Yeah that's the thing. Despite the woes of the Republican party, they haven't ruined the word conservative. Maybe when you associate yourself with defending partial birth abortion, terrorists at gitmo, and Howard Dean, it's harder for people to identify themselves as being in your camp. So you change the name to something else. You're not liberal, but progressive. You're not for crushing a child born up until the navel and crushing its skull, but for womens rights. Etc

no one is for crushing a child's skull in any party. the democratic party is for women's right's and right to choose though. that has nothing to do with children, it has to do with pregnancy.

yes I'm getting sick of you injecting biased statements on the abortion issue, therefor I will combat every single one I see with opposition view.:D

moonman
07-23-2008, 12:58 PM
ari, that's like sayin' if we didn't have lightening California wouldn't have forest fires. C'mon, facts are facts. Obama raised more money in one day than McCain did in the entire month.

Others say that Americans are not turning their backs on conservatism? Hmmm, I guess the mid-terms in '06 didn't turn the Congress into Democratic hands and the Dems didn't win a majority of Statehouses either.

In the broad general sense, I agree though. Americans have not turned their backs on genuine conservatism. Americans have turned their backs on corporate chickenhawk fascism that the Republicans have been selling as either conservatism or as the Reagan Revolution.

Doc Fluty
07-23-2008, 03:52 PM
Money woes?

Mccain and the Rep have more money in the bank than Obama (the Obama campaign and the party have about $92.3 million in the bank, which is slightly less than Republicans, who began July with about $95 million)

sure Obama raised more... but had to spend it all beating Hillary... now they are saying they need more money..

I know this isn’t the first time we’ve asked you for money, and it won’t be the last,” David Plouffe the campaign manager for Mr. Obama,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/us/politics/17cnd-campaign.html?hp

Raidaz4Life
07-23-2008, 06:57 PM
no one is for crushing a child's skull in any party. the democratic party is for women's right's and right to choose though. that has nothing to do with children, it has to do with pregnancy.

yes I'm getting sick of you injecting biased statements on the abortion issue, therefor I will combat every single one I see with opposition view.:D

The Republican party supports womens rights to... a woman's right not to get herself pregnant in the first place if she doesn't want a "fetus"

Doc Fluty
07-23-2008, 07:05 PM
The Republican party supports womens rights to... a woman's right not to get herself pregnant in the first place if she doesn't want a "fetus"

Amen

ari1013
07-23-2008, 07:51 PM
Yeah that's the thing. Despite the woes of the Republican party, they haven't ruined the word conservative. Maybe when you associate yourself with defending partial birth abortion, terrorists at gitmo, and Howard Dean, it's harder for people to identify themselves as being in your camp. So you change the name to something else. You're not liberal, but progressive. You're not for crushing a child born up until the navel and crushing its skull, but for womens rights. Etc
They're doing their very best to ruin American Conservatism. Someday "Conservatism in America" might actually get a read or two by someone on the right, until then, you better believe that the number of self-identified conservatives is going to continue to fall.

blenderboy5
07-23-2008, 07:52 PM
no one is for crushing a child's skull in any party. the democratic party is for women's right's and right to choose though. that has nothing to do with children, it has to do with pregnancy.


When your candidate supports partial birth abortion, you can't really say that with a straight face.


Others say that Americans are not turning their backs on conservatism? Hmmm, I guess the mid-terms in '06 didn't turn the Congress into Democratic hands and the Dems didn't win a majority of Statehouses either.

No, shortsighted Americans turned their back on Bush and Iraq.

ari1013
07-23-2008, 07:53 PM
Money woes?

Mccain and the Rep have more money in the bank than Obama (the Obama campaign and the party have about $92.3 million in the bank, which is slightly less than Republicans, who began July with about $95 million)

sure Obama raised more... but had to spend it all beating Hillary... now they are saying they need more money..

I know this isn’t the first time we’ve asked you for money, and it won’t be the last,” David Plouffe the campaign manager for Mr. Obama,

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/17/us/politics/17cnd-campaign.html?hp
Talk about propaganda. Bear in mind that the RNC has to spend their money on defending the 35 seats the Dems are going after in the House and the 12 seats the Dems are going after in the Senate because Cole and Ensign are incompetent fundraisers.

Then again, as long as billionaires continue funding rightwing 527s, the TV time's still going to lean in McCain's favor.

ari1013
07-23-2008, 07:55 PM
When your candidate supports partial birth abortion, you can't really say that with a straight face.



No, shortsighted Americans turned their back on Bush and Iraq.
Blaming it all on Bush isn't really accurate. The GOP-controlled House and Senate enabled Bush to be the way he was. They still go out and defend him and his policies.

That's why they got beat so badly 2 years ago, and that's why we're going to see another Legislative beatdown this November.

Doc Fluty
07-23-2008, 08:03 PM
Talk about propaganda. Bear in mind that the RNC has to spend their money on defending the 35 seats the Dems are going after in the House and the 12 seats the Dems are going after in the Senate because Cole and Ensign are incompetent fundraisers.

Then again, as long as billionaires continue funding rightwing 527s, the TV time's still going to lean in McCain's favor.

Ari you always talk about propaganda on my post but im just not educated enough to figure out what your talking about :p

but ill conceed that obama prolly will end up with more money, but as you pointed out some big money anti-obama guys will make up the difference.

blenderboy5
07-23-2008, 11:09 PM
Blaming it all on Bush isn't really accurate. The GOP-controlled House and Senate enabled Bush to be the way he was. They still go out and defend him and his policies.

That's why they got beat so badly 2 years ago, and that's why we're going to see another Legislative beatdown this November.

Not really.

90% of a anti-GOP commercials in 2006 were "This guy licks George Bush's nuts."

That was the entire campaign the DNC ran in 2006 and they're running again this year. Is it a good idea? It works.

Also, after this do nothing congress of Democrats has spent more time passing non binding resolutions and passing days honoring insignificant things, they don't deserve another shot. They're braindead morons.

ari1013
07-23-2008, 11:17 PM
Not really.

90% of a anti-GOP commercials in 2006 were "This guy licks George Bush's nuts."

That was the entire campaign the DNC ran in 2006 and they're running again this year. Is it a good idea? It works.

Also, after this do nothing congress of Democrats has spent more time passing non binding resolutions and passing days honoring insignificant things, they don't deserve another shot. They're braindead morons.
The ad campaign was definitely successful, but the tide had already been turning before that. Generic Dem vs. Generic Republican Congressman polls were already turning in favor of the Dems starting in 2005.

And Congress will surprise you in the next two weeks. Reid's about to force a vote on the 100 or so bills that Coburn's been sitting on. They're talking about creating a "Coburn Omnibus" package.

ari1013
07-23-2008, 11:21 PM
Ari you always talk about propaganda on my post but im just not educated enough to figure out what your talking about :p

but ill conceed that obama prolly will end up with more money, but as you pointed out some big money anti-obama guys will make up the difference.
Yeah sorry... I just get tired of seeing the same talking points in here that I hear on Talk Radio every morning...

But yeah, you got my point. Obama should wind up with a good $25-$50 million more than the combined Republican funds, but most of the ads I'm seeing out here (battleground state) are accompanied by "this ad is independent of any presidential campaign" disclaimers.

PHX-SOXFAN
07-24-2008, 11:25 AM
When your candidate supports partial birth abortion, you can't really say that with a straight face.



No, shortsighted Americans turned their back on Bush and Iraq.

I absolutely say that with a straight face.

logical, educated americans also turned their back on a shortsighted Bush.:D